Will Police Precinct Realignment Help Nassau? [POLL]

Was Monday's realignment a step forward in saving money or a step back in public safety?

As Patch reported Monday, Nassau legislators voted along party lines to of the county's police precincts on Monday.

In a 10-9 final tally, the Republican majority voted in favor of Nassau County Executive Ed Mangano's , which merges the police department's eight precincts into four.

The 10-9 vote was one of three such totals on the day – the other two coming on votes for commissioner and tabling the precinct vote until next week.

The often-heated legislative session featured a number of speakers – including residents – who were quick to voice their opinion, even when presiding officer Peter Schmitt, R-Massapequa, hadn't asked for it.

According to Newsday [paid link]:

The most dramatic scene, however, occurred as Legis. Joseph Belesi, R-Farmingdale, a retired Nassau Police sergeant, cast his vote. With tears in his eyes, Belesi quietly said, "I vote yes. I vote aye," and then stood up and walked somberly out of the chamber to catcalls and hisses. One audience member screamed out: "You are a coward."

The plan, according to Mangano, will go into effect 30 days from its approval. Each merger will then take place two months after the previous merger, until there are four remaining precincts.

Mac March 09, 2012 at 05:22 PM
Escape I hate to admit it but unless someone fixes it most of what you say is true. With the exception of Stonybrook. Have a look at these facts: Rankings •Ranked in the top 1 percent of all universities in the world by the London Times Higher Education World University Rankings •Ranked in the top 100 public national universities by U.S. News & World Report and included on their list of notable programs for undergraduate research/creative projects •Ranked one of the 100 best values in public colleges and universities by Kiplinger •Ranked eighth among public universities with students going on to elite graduate programs by the Wall Street Journal •One of only 10 universities nationwide recognized by the National Science Foundation for combining research with undergraduate education Also I ask again why do you still live here?
Escape LI March 09, 2012 at 05:57 PM
Mac let’s take you claims about Stonybrook one at a time: •Ranked in the top 1 percent of all universities in the world by the London Times Higher Education World University Rankings – Meaningless “World” Rankings. Actually Ranks 114 behind University of Utah. •Ranked in the top 100 public national universities by U.S. News & World Report and included on their list of notable programs for undergraduate research/creative projects – Again “public national universities” not top research universities, and in the top 100 doesn’t make the cut. Not like Duke in NC, Rice in TX, Vanderbilt in TN, Emory in GA, University of Virginia, Wake Forest in NC, University of North Carolina, all places where jobs are going. •Ranked one of the 100 best values in public colleges and universities by Kiplinger – “best values”? We are talking about top research universities, not best value. •Ranked eighth among public universities with students going on to elite graduate programs by the Wall Street Journal – “among public universities” with students going to? It is the “elite graduate” schools that LI lacks – Duh? •One of only 10 universities nationwide recognized by the National Science Foundation for combining research with undergraduate education – still not a not top research university.
Escape LI March 09, 2012 at 05:57 PM
The point you miss Mac is that LI lacks a top research university around which to build the future of the area. And Mac why do you as a teacher (or the wife or husband of a teacher) always complain that people who object to the taxes that are destroying LI should “just leave?”
Mac March 09, 2012 at 06:37 PM
Escape your post wasnt directed towards taxes specifically and were valid points. I dont point to people who complain about taxes but people who see no benefit of living here on LI. You obviously are fed up with everything going on here and I have not read one positive remark regarding anything here on LI. Case in point is Stonybrook University and I gave you the facts. SB is rising in the ranks of universities every year and that is a fact yet you also put that down. Combine that with your tag "Escape LI" I ask you. Why would anyone stay if they are so unhappy where they are for whatever reason? I will once agion be perfectly clear I am not a teacher nor am I related to one. I am 100% against the thought that teachers, police and any other governement employees deserve to be the scapegoat for our economic woes. The unions and how they negotiate with the governmant is a HUGE problem. Doesnt make sense to me that any union negotiates with the people who need their support to have a job. Where is the outcry of the price of gas? Oil goes down 2.02 one day last week the price jumped 2 cents at the pump, oil goes up 10 cents price goes up 5 cents at the pump. Oil companies racking in record breaking profits yet the public employee gets killed on a regular basis. Our whole system is in need of a complete overhaul at so many different levels.
Escape LI March 09, 2012 at 06:46 PM
One of the strengths that other areas have is they are centered on one or more major research universities. No matter how much you may love Stonybrook as one of best values in public colleges, it does not fit that profile sufficiently offset the negatives on LI, taxes, electric rates, trucking through NYC, debt, entitlement and pension obligations, union control, cost of living, etc.
Escape LI March 09, 2012 at 06:54 PM
Long Island is like a patient with multiple health problems; diabetes, COPD, high blood pressure, obesity, vascular disease, who is trying to compete in some athletic event and the only suggestions that are entertained are to hire a personal trainer. It is just not going to work. You need to cure all the underlying problems that the patient lived with and ignored for a year; that is until this economic downturn forced him to compete. Now it is doubtful that he can.
Ben March 09, 2012 at 06:55 PM
Y'all need to see that most of what Escape LI says is true. Stony Brook is a mediocre State school. Utility rates here are way out of line and climbing. FYI there was nothing wrong with LILCO but the ratepayers were told that Keyspan/NationalGrid/LIPA would save us! Not hardly! Now we have rates tripple what Richard Kessel had promised us and they are riseing. Like LIPA and National Grid are so much better than LILCO?
leapinglaughter March 09, 2012 at 10:20 PM
Driving five more miles to a precinct is simple for the people who have cars. For poorer folks who rely on public transportation it's a real added burden.
Escape LI March 09, 2012 at 10:23 PM
Hey Leaping, haven’t you figured it out yet, Nassau County doesn’t want any “poorer folks.”
Tony March 10, 2012 at 02:24 PM
After calling all my representatives and voicing my opinions , which they choose to ignore. Well maybe this statement they won't ignore. COME NOVEMBER, I'LL REMEMBER. Let's see if they choose to ignore this opinion!!!!!!!!!
David A. Gilmore March 10, 2012 at 11:43 PM
who the heck can live in Nassau pay our taxes and not afford a car? Come on dude! Share some of that stuff your smoking. Do you think anyone will take that remark seriously?
David A. Gilmore March 10, 2012 at 11:47 PM
Mac...even though your a flaming liberal I agree with your point. Blame Obama ....your guy!!! For the gas price. All of you left wingers were all over Bush and Cheyney when the price of Gas hit its highest mark (1 dollar less than what it is now) during their administration. Collapse the system....that's the liberal way....collapse it so everyone must rely on unions and the government for support.
David A. Gilmore March 10, 2012 at 11:51 PM
Mac...stop the chastising and just tell us how you really feel. Your a liberal hack sent out by the teachers unions to combat every conservative or common sense message on all of these boards. How is it that you have the time al day long every day to write on these boards? If your a teacher...you personify the problem with tenure and the whole system.
David A. Gilmore March 11, 2012 at 12:00 AM
Long Beach is a cesspool. I moved out 20 years ago when the writing was on the wall. Its filled with a bunch of curly headed, cross-eyed inbred leftovers from the rockaways that vote democrat by nature. Most of them are teachers!!! Get out while you can.
John Wayne March 11, 2012 at 01:18 AM
Have NO problem with the appointment of the new Commissioner. This county needs a knowledgable and experiences leader and COP. Yes there is a difference between being a Police Office and a COP. A police officer is a civil servant that puts on a uniform. A COP is a civil servant that gets out of their car, fights crime, gets shot at, occasionally has to defend themselves, goes on about 20-30 calls a tour, has no time to eat because they are so busy and the dispatcher is holding 40 jobs, does not have the luxury of hanging out in their home all day while on-duty, and has respect for their fellow officer. Yea I work in the City, but let me tell you the disrespect I have experienced whenever I interact with a POLICE OFFICER here in Nassau County. You can talk about jealousy about your pay, I couldn't care less about your salary. You negotiated great an your union deserves kudos. My neighbor chases a person from their backyard and flags down a NC POLICE OFFICER for help, guess what the POLICE OFFICER does? Stops her and begins to question her, ever so long so the perpetrator could flee the scene. If you think this is not the norm with our finest, just ask a friend. Some are the most arrogant guys, and I understand they are going to say they always pull over a COP from the NYPD, but that is no excuse for being an ass****.
John Wayne March 11, 2012 at 01:18 AM
The fact is if you were never a NYPS COP and took a job out here, you have NO and I mean NO idea what it is like to work in a tough neighborhood. Freeport and Hempstead have their own Police Departments (Filled with COPS). Why? Their NCPD counterparts couldn't last a night tour there. Work for a week in East NY, Brownsville, Flatbush, Upper Manhattan or the South Bronx. You better bring a change of underwear. The streets will eat you up. This 3 Star NYPD Chief's (now NCPD Commissioner) experience is equivalent to double the entire NCPD police forces experience at this time. Hey guys it is time to do your jobs, you can't sweep stuff under the rug anymore. It has cost you 4 precincts. You looked the other way so much that crime statistics were always low and that is what got you those pay raises, but now with the economy the way it is, there is so many leaks in the dam you don't have enough fingers to fill the plugs. Can't fudge the amount of crime that is happening here in good old safe Nassau County. Mangano deserves a Medal for the ba**s he has. Relax you still have your job. Get out from the precinct (where at least three guys are always behind the desk) and unlock your front doors to the precinct on the night doors, because this is not candy land anymore. Rome has crumbled and the Trojans unfortunately don't exist here in good old Nassau County.
Mac March 11, 2012 at 01:59 AM
David Gilmore thanks for your input and taking the time to read my posts. Being semiretired gives me some time and yes I believe I do have some liberal beliefs then I am admittedly proteacher so you got me. I am unsure what to make of the closings because it is hard to believe anything these politicians say. Even harder to believe I agree with escape li on the majority of his input on this topic. By hw way David I always thought darkside was better han the wall. You are definitely no hack.
Mac March 11, 2012 at 03:02 AM
Pink Floyd is a great band. Actually was just listening to them on pandora. Saw them at Yankee stadium back then momentary lapse or reason I believe. Just some old outspoken guy who stands by my beliefs trying not to take myself too seriously. My wife says blogging is the wort thing ever to happen to me because I don't shut up and this gives mean outlet. Agree with you about the 8th very difficult there and I have to say I didn't buy into the Obama plan. Hopefully oe and done but the republicans spend too much tie telling us how awful the candidates are by all thefools running against each other.
David A. Gilmore March 11, 2012 at 03:30 AM
Mac....Your smarter than I thought.....I might one day look to meet with you and Larry. David spells his last name differently but I did see them in Yankee stadium in the 90's. Unreal.....best concert I've ever been to June 11, 1994.........You've changed my mind on you.....
Candygram for Mongo March 11, 2012 at 12:02 PM
Hurt and angry - if you were to rate the intimacy level between 1 and 10..........
David A. Gilmore March 11, 2012 at 02:14 PM
I have to laugh at this! Has anyone on this post ever tried to get some information out of the 8th precinct. They have to be the biggest- arrogant-cluless idiots among all of Nassau's cops. I hope they close the 8th and turn it into an out house. The cops there all have attitudes, the detectives are fat and inept, and the bosses could give a crap less about the surrounding community. I don't know anything about the others but I'm glad the 8th is being shut. I forgot to mention that many of the 8th precinct cops live in the 8th precinct and spend their working hours at home, with their wives, at their kids schools watching them play basketball and baseball. Its a joke. They should not be allowed to work where they live. Oh......did I leave out the expectations of free coffee at 7 eleven/Dunkin Donuts and food from all the local pizza/restaraunts. You never see a nassau cop brown bagging do you? Nope....thats because their salaries aren't enough, they need free food also. John Wayne is right about you guys.....most of you run the other way when a robbery, burglary or assault is in progress. Heaven forbid you would have an arrest that wasn't a DWI. Show up when the perpetrator is gone then stand around for an hour with the other five cars looking stupid.Tax payers money at work!!! Give them another 16% raise why don't we? They can't survive on $150,000 dollars per/year. http://longisland.newsday.com/templates/simpleDB/?pid=173
Just Joe March 11, 2012 at 03:42 PM
David says, “I hope they close the 8th and turn it into an out house. The cops there all have attitudes, the detectives are fat and inept, and the bosses could give a crap less about the surrounding community.” FLUSHING TWP., Michigan -- An attorney for the Police Officers Labor Council, which represents officers in the township's disbanded police department, said he's prepared to go to court to block the township from replacing his clients. The threat comes as the county Board of Commissioners begins to consider a contract to replace the township officers with Sheriff's Department deputies on a contract basis. http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2012/02/attorney_for_disbanded_flushin.html Roanoke Police Department Disbanded The village of Roanoke is without a police department. At the village's board meeting Monday night it was disbanded to switch to coverage by the Woodford County Sheriff's department. http://www.cinewsnow.com/news/local/46678142.html Maywood to disband Police Department Barely a year after promising to reform its chronically troubled police force, the city of Maywood announced Wednesday that it would disband the 60-member department effective June 30. http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/17/local/la-me-maywood-pd-20100617 Kinda makes you think don’t it.
Frankie G March 11, 2012 at 04:25 PM
With all the crime in Valley Stream and the closing of the 5th Precinct, are these guys going to underreport the crime stats there?
smith March 12, 2012 at 12:39 PM
The problem is not the police precincts it's in utility rates, pension programs for all public workers and lots of business owners not reporting and paying their total tax toll with off-the-books businesses. In a busy precinct like valley stream they are going to be locking people up and transporting them to the other areas. Some of those smaller precincts might not even have the space or the confinement for the offenders they are going to be bringing in. Good luck housing the criminals a busy precinct is going to bring in to these new areas. Meanwhile the money you're hoping to save on these precincts is going to be turned into community centers that are going to spend more money anyhow and not generate a dime. How on earth does this make sense?
Nassau Taxpayer March 12, 2012 at 03:44 PM
"The problem is not the police precincts it's in utility rates, pension programs for all public workers and lots of business owners not reporting and paying their total tax toll with off-the-books businesses." In fact, it is all of the above, and more. Precinct realignment is the tip of the iceberg, necessary but woefully inadequate and insufficient.
www.ValleyStream.LI March 12, 2012 at 06:31 PM
According to Jim Carver, president of the Nassau County Police Benevolent Association, the plan will drastically cut the number of officers in the precincts being closed — the 1st, 5th, 6th and 8th — and will result in unacceptable delays in the time it takes to respond to and investigate crimes.
Nassau Taxpayer March 12, 2012 at 06:43 PM
Think Mr. PBA has an axe to carve, er, grind?
www.ValleyStream.LI March 12, 2012 at 07:06 PM
He probably does, but the question remains as to how the closing of the fifth precinct will affect Valley Stream residents. The Valley Stream Civilian Patrol cited the village’s proximity to the city as a cause for concern. “We believe it’s wrong because we are on the borderline with Queens and people come into Valley Stream from Queens,” said Ralph Polverino, president of the Civilian Patrol. “The 5h Precinct should always be open and we need as much protection as possible.” A couple leaving a bank ATM early Thursday morning 3/1/12 in Valley Stream were robbed at gunpoint by a man who took their cash and fled. Two men robbed a Valley Stream gas station before taking off in a getaway car early February 19, 2012. Two men entered Dashmesh Petroleum at 385 West Merrick Road at 3:35 a.m. wielding a handgun and demanding cash. One man demanded while the other stood by the door acting as a lookout. The two obtained an unknown amount of cash before hopping into their getaway car and fleeing west on Merrick Road. On Jan. 29, a skimming device at a Capitol One Bank in Valley Stream fell off into the hands of a customer who was trying to use the ATM. The darkness is acute near Green Acres Mall, leaving the impression that more lights are out than on. "It's just overwhelming how many are missing," Chris Csuti said he could identify 37 spots where lights should be shining but aren't.
anonymous March 12, 2012 at 07:19 PM
these are problems that are solved with patrol cars; not buldings. The goal of the re-organization is to save costs in the precincts
Linda Armando June 23, 2012 at 07:33 AM
Although I have always had great respect for police officers I must say that the 5 th precinth has not had a positive effect on how I feel. When I have had to call them usually the experience and outcome is not what I expected. When I went into person it was even more negative. They showed little interest in my concerns and behaved rudely to me, not all the officers but one particular detective there was a night mare very nasty and discourteous , I would hope to never see his face again literally . Normally I would have gone to bat for a precinth so close to my home to stay open but in general they were not helpful or effective in things that were important to me and my neighbors . I understand there not supposed to be social workers but I expected common courtesy which I did not receive in almost every situation . I don't think we need that building because for me it didn't serve the purpose it should have,


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