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Should Curbside Trees be Replaced?

Why curbside trees can be a hinderance.

Here we go again. Supervisor Murray and Councilman Darcy have totally lost a basic reality check.

In their latest installment of junk mail from the Town of Hempstead, the Town is offering new curbside tree replacement for those in the unincorporated areas whose tree(s) were damaged by Superstorm Sandy.

On paper this sound nice and replaces green to the neighborhood but the reality is:

1) Curbside trees and overhanging branches that fell took down power, phone and TV service lines.

2) Curbside trees are responsible for sidewalk lifting creating trip fall hazards.

3) Curbside trees block the needed sidewalk and street illumination from the few street lights on each residential block.

4) Curbside trees contribute to cracking and chipping of the curbs near them.

5) Curbside trees when grown hinder opening a vehicle door when legally parked between curb cuts.

6) In the fall leaves from curbside trees fall into streets, create an eye sore and hazardous condition when wet. Not to mention the number being washed down and covering storm drains. The property owners do not feel any leaves from their curbside tree is their responsibility to clean up once in the street.

7) When grown, curbside trees present a hazard over roadways to school buses and large trucks to include fire trucks when not maintained.

If the Town wants to replace trees then they should install a ordinance or minimum set back distance from the sidewalk and keep the curbside free of new plantings. 

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marianne krause April 10, 2013 at 01:19 AM
well i will not argue with that...lol i had a garbage man come to my door to complain about the weight of my garbage bag ...lol i looked at him and laughed i said seriously i put the bag out there
Brent M. April 10, 2013 at 12:39 PM
Stupid question... The town will only replace trees lost curbside during sandy?? Heard that town will put tree up at your curb but you have to pay for tree now...
Uncle Mike April 10, 2013 at 09:19 PM
Randy, My dog would much rather urinate on your tree by the curb, than have to go to the rear of your property. The more curb-side trees, the better!
Follow the Money April 10, 2013 at 10:29 PM
The trees I have at my curb I paid for myself. If you don't want trees, you should move to Brooklyn or Queens.
Follow the Money April 10, 2013 at 10:32 PM
That's the difference between North and south shore. They get beautiful trees and we get big highway signs, cell towers and cablevision boxes. Folks you got to get the Brooklyn and Queens out of your system and plant trees.
marianne krause April 10, 2013 at 11:31 PM
@Follow you are so correct in your statement. I have seen many homes in the area sold and the first thing the new owners do is tear down the trees and they don't replant anything its sad...
paul April 11, 2013 at 12:22 AM
To Follow the Money: If more folks used their Brooklyn and Queens smarts Long Island would be a MUCH smarter and better place... We Brooklyn'ites and Queens'ites don't live in a bubble, we live in reality... Your statement shows how much you don't know. There are tree lined streets in the city. I guess you enjoy your little bubble of boredom... Try getting out once in a while you might like it...
paul April 11, 2013 at 12:31 AM
To Uncle Mike: If it were your dog and my curbside tree, I would take issue with that. Your dog, your property. PERIOD..... Someone once thought it was OK for their dog to take a pee on my front lawn, they WILL NEVER DO THAT AGAIN... Like I said your dog your grass, I dont want your yellow spot.....
marianne krause April 11, 2013 at 12:46 AM
here's an idea Paul, either go back to brooklyn or queens or if your here on the island stay but if your not and your in brooklyn or queens start a Patch out there and stay out of this one. Your CONSTANT negativity is so wearing and becomming extremely BORING (yawn) , you complain about everything ,never a good word toward anyone. We get it your the grumpy human lololol, Try something new for a change ... something maybe helpful and constructive and maybe we might care again about what you say. Till then just going to ignore you and hope others will do the same
Brent M. April 11, 2013 at 01:04 AM
Does anybody know answer to my question?? Krause... ? is it just the Town replacing existing trees already planted before Sandy or do they put up trees if you request??
marianne krause April 11, 2013 at 01:27 AM
Free Replacement of Curbside Trees Felled by Sandy While supplies last, Hempstead Town is offering homeowners in unincorporated areas of the town who lost curbside trees during Hurricane Sandy a free replacement tree. Hempstead Town is waiving the $150 fee associated with the planting. Homeowners may choose between seven different species of trees. Replacement trees will be planted in the fall of 2013. Past experience has shown that the tree's viability is increased when they are planted in autumn. The property owner must send a written request for tree planting to the Town of Hempstead Department of Engineering, 350 Front Street, Hempstead, NY 11550 (please include your name and home address). Upon receipt of the letter, a town inspector will visit the property and will forward tree selection information to the owner.
paul April 11, 2013 at 02:00 AM
I inquired about starting a Coney Island, Brighton Beach Patch.. Never got a response... I am still willing to run it.....
Tony April 11, 2013 at 12:12 PM
I may be 'in' FL but I'm a native 5 Towner. Just a small part of my decision to leave LI had to do with the urbanization taking place over the last 2 decades. People moved from the city seeking the 'good life' then blamed everybody but themselves when things aren't exactly perfect 100% of the time on just about every issue. Today it's the trees, yesterday it was global warming, tomorrow it will be air pollution. Guess what all those trees do that you removed or didn't replant after storms took them down? Don't know what parts of FL you've been to Randy but my development has the trees at the curb area. My brother lives 200 miles away and his older neighborhood is the same. Are there places with no trees at the curb? Sure. Does it look like a barren wasteland? Yep. Is it hot as hell in those communities with a lack of shade and fresh air? Yes again. If improving your neighborhoods means you want them to look like NYC, have at it. Then don't complain about the pollution and stagnant property values.
paul April 11, 2013 at 05:04 PM
additional information: Tree Planting The Town of Hempstead will plant curbside tree(s) in front of a residential property at the written request of the property owner. The property owner must send a written request for tree planting to the Town of Hempstead Department of Engineering, 350 Front Street, Hempstead, NY 11550. Upon receipt of the letter, a Town inspector will visit the property to determine if it is a suitable location for planting. The guidelines for where a tree can be planted include distance from a corner, existing tree spacing, width of the grass strip, underground utility locations, and/or distance to a driveway. After the site visit by the inspector, the Engineering Department will send a response letter to the homeowner indicating the number of trees that have been approved for planting, along with a color brochure indicating the type of trees available... ***
Anne April 11, 2013 at 05:50 PM
I had a utility pole owned my NG take down the tree at the curb, both hit my house and did damage during Sandy - damage by the tree owned by the village damaged sidewalk and curb bill that was sent to us( and it did say on it damage done by" sandy") was $!,400.00 if we did not pay it would be attached to our taxes! DPW told us they didn't think we would be responsible as village got FEMA money??I did not want tree removed the utility pole snapped and some of the wires were imbedded in the branches of the tree.
Brent M. April 11, 2013 at 05:56 PM
Thank You Krause!
Randy Stults April 11, 2013 at 07:56 PM
Niether would ever happen Uncle Mike...Well maybe out front ONCE.....
marianne krause April 11, 2013 at 08:30 PM
lol it always comes down to a peeing contest with you guys lolololol
Jenn April 13, 2013 at 12:30 AM
@ Marianne - I have also (sadly) had the garbage men come to my door and whine about the weight of the garbage bags that I put out at the curb -- the key point being it was ME and not my husband who carried those bags out. They cry too much.
marianne krause April 13, 2013 at 01:18 AM
@Jenn..its so sad lol
Bob Rabey April 13, 2013 at 07:15 AM
Reply to Paul Hahrrgis: You ARE correct in one respect. The property between the sidewalk and curb IS a public right of way, NOT owned by the property owner. (feel free to look it up) A public right of way is just that, PUBLIC. These properties are under the control of the public trust, towns, villages, etc. and therefore maintained by such. I DO look to government to do the jobs they are paid to do!
Lorraine DeVita April 13, 2013 at 12:55 PM
I agree there should be a minimum set back for all trees newly planted - As to the bradford pear- Not a big fan as it does just crack and split in half due to its rigidity. I have recently come across a super fast growing tree called the The Empress. I recently purchased one for my grandaughters and several of others as gifts for new fellow grandparents. These trees are supple grow at an astonishing rate of almost 5-10 feet PER YEAR have lovely blooms after the first three years and HUGE leaves the size of a dinner platter, they grow in all climates and the roots dont seem to be evasive. While expensive for a sapling @ approx 70.00 from a retailer for a 3 foot tree they are resilient. My granddaughter is going to be four we planted a sapling of approx three feet the tree is now OVER 25 feet tall in just under 4 yrs.You can actualy measure significant growth DAILY which is astonishing. http://www.fast-growing-trees.com/EmpressTree.htm?gclid=CKn9_OXXx7YCFQIx4Aod0mQAtg and EASY to rake the HUGE leaves inthe fall too!
Jason April 13, 2013 at 01:28 PM
Another advantage many corner lot homeowners will point out is the safety of a large tree protecting your home from an idiot driver. Particularly since its been so common lately for a home to be struck due to all the texters out there driving
Rebecca April 13, 2013 at 07:14 PM
Ouch that stinks. Little advice: If you can't get out of the $1400 bill, attach it to your taxes so you can at least claim an increased tax deduction next year if you deduct property taxes.
Rebecca April 13, 2013 at 07:17 PM
More power to you, but I'd personally steer clear of a tree that grows that high. I prefer the Fire Code way: Keep everything at least as far from your home, as it is tall. Since my property is only 60' deep, say 20' in front of my house, I'll never plant anything that grows more than 15-20 feet tall.
diane j April 15, 2013 at 11:30 AM
We all get in our car everyday knowing the statistics of being in an accident yet we do it knowing sandy the dwi driver is out there because the positive of driving.g far outways the negative. The benefits of trees far out weighs the slim posibility of damage they may cause . The 5 large oak trees surrounding my home for 75 yrs have given generations beauty that can't be replaced
Lorraine DeVita April 15, 2013 at 02:40 PM
What i dont understand is why there isnt an systematic conversion plan being implemented where LIPA, Cablevision.Verizon, the TOH and the County start burying the cables.If all three of four service commerical providors absorbed a majority of the cost it would eventualy be MORE efficient and ultimately save THEM millions of dollars in repairs. It would be an investment in protecting their property and provide the consumer with a better level of service. Convert to underground SAVE the TREES!
Rebecca April 16, 2013 at 01:49 AM
Don't underestimate the cost. It would be in the Billions to retrofit and bury the thousands of linear miles of different cable types. You need to excavate (assuming there is nothing in the way, like existing underground utilities), provide different steel conduits for each utility (gas, electric, fiber optic, telephone, etc.), and keep them far enough apart - or encase them in concrete - to avoid interfering with each other. Plus extra pullboxes/manholes. And all that labor to do the research and the work. And don't forget either: NYC has underground utilities. Which got just as flooded out during Sandy. Burying cable is not the cure-all solution. Plant trees between the curb and buildings - that is the sensible thing to do.
Randy Stults April 16, 2013 at 12:41 PM
Rebecca-NYC underground system was installed by the Pilgrims when they came to the island. In todays world like in the RICH neighborhoods of LI they already have underground services. Some years ago the City of Palo Alto, CA VOTED to go underground. They approved a 10 year and only 10 year service charge of $10.00 per month and down came the poles and wires. Since water and natural gas were already there is was a easily done. House values increase, damage from wind and earthquakes dropped and neighborhood ambiance increased ten fold....But then again the people HAVE A VOICE there and sometimes get it right....
bill maron April 18, 2013 at 01:14 PM
If you dont replace curbside trees, you will eventually be a bleak city block. The trees selected don't rip up sidewalks. Replace every tree that is taken down.... we need them

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