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Last Debate on Proposed Medical Facility at No. 6

Attorney and opposition group organizer debate their views on the project.

The organizer of the community group opposing a developer’s proposal to build a medical facility at Number Six School warned that there’s no turning back after the March 20 vote.

“In most elections, you have the opportunity to reverse the results. When you give away land, that’s forever,” said Joshua Schein, an organizer of the Community Coalition of the Five Towns. “This is the wrong neighborhood for a medical center. Should we really be turning over our fields and schools to a developer?”

In an event hosted by the Lawrence Association, an audience at the Peninsula Public Library had the opportunity to hear the opposing views of Schein and Benjamin Weinstock, the attorney for Simone Development Companies, whose $12.5 million bid for Number Six School was accepted by the Lawrence Board of Education.

The vote on March 20 will determine whether the land will be sold to Simone, which plans to build a 60-doctor medical facility operated by Mount Sinai at the former school site. As part of the development, the ball fields at the school will be paved over to make way for a 450-car parking lot, the main contention for the Community Coalition along with traffic concerns.

Weinstock, however, argued that the fields would not remain in their current condition no matter who is awarded the property.

“We don’t like change, but it’s impossible for this building to stay the same,” he said. “It will be developed. We think what’s proposed is reasonable.”

Weinstock said that Simone has listened to the comments made at the town hall meeting and has made adjustments to the site plan. To address the biggest complaints about traffic, Simone would add a lane on Peninsula Boulevard so drivers can slow down to enter the parking lot and then easily merge back on the road. The exit will prevent drivers from making a left.

Audience members were skeptical that there would be enough parking considering the amount of staff members (60 doctors and 100 other staff members), but Weinstock said the lot has more than enough spots based on studies conducted at similar facilities to the one proposed.

Simone will also lobby the county to lengthen the time of the left turn light to Branch Boulevard if more than two cars are detected. The developer will pay the expense, Weinstock said.

Additionally, the playground will be larger than originally planned, at 6,000 square feet, and fencing will be put up along Church Avenue and Ibsen Street to discourage people from parking in front of houses.

However, Schein, along with other audience members, argued that the developer is not accountable to anything it has proposed to the community — even Mount Sinai’s involvement — since the details are not in the contract with the school district (attached, obtained by the Community Coalition of the Five Towns through a FOIL request).

Any development at the school site would require variances from the Town of Hempstead. The area is currently only zoned for residential properties.

“There’s nothing we’re saying that won’t be a part of this facility,” Weinstock said. He added that Simone has a lease with Mount Sinai for 20 years at the facility, although it has not been signed yet.

Proponents of the plan point to the creation of jobs and the tax revenue it will create for the school district. The sale of the building will net the district $12 million. Every year after will grant the district about $700,000 in taxes, according to Weinstock.

But Schein said this might not be the case either.

In its contract with the district, the sale of the building to Simone is conditioned on the issuance of tax abatement from the Town of Hempstead. According to New York Real Property Tax 485B, improved commercial property is eligible to pay for half the taxes of assessed value the first year. Taxes increase 5 percent every year after.

Simone will be making PILOTs — payments in lieu of taxes — to make up the difference, Weinstock said.

Polls will be open on March 20 between 7 a.m. and 10 p.m.

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  • Anna D'Argento March 18, 2013 at 08:29 PM
    Hi inwood queens Resident, I agree; I would also rather see residential units at the site: I think there's a need for affordable apartments (condos/rentals) - especially for young families who are just starting out. This ties into the Daily News article I posted earlier. You asked what it has to do with selling the school - and I didn't get a chance to respond until now. The article described a prior purchase/resale of Simone's, in which he bought a parcel in the Bronx for $2M and then tried to "flip" it to NYC for $92M (a 4,500% profit), then settled for about half of that (i.e. $46M or 2,250% profit). On this we agree: if I could make a windfall like that, I would, too. Look, Mr. Simone is obviously no dummy when it comes to making a killing in real estate. But if there IS a killing to be made on THIS property, I'd rather it be made by our school district and we, the taxpayers. Hey, I am by no means a real-estate expert (I'm not even a real-estate novelist). But I did some very, very rough math: if an average single-family home on a 60x100 lot in Woodmere goes for, say, $600K, and this school property is 6.67 acres or around 48 60x100 lots, then 48 X $600K comes to $28,800,000. Stack up some mutli-level, multi-unit housing, and perhaps even more can be squeezed out of it. As others have pointed out, nowhere in the contract is Mt. Sinai mentioned, and once the school is sold for $12.5M, the district and the taxpayers will have lost it forever.
    Anessa Cohen March 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM
    FYI I am on the no vote committee and can attest to the fact that this is the first time I have heard anything about a campaign to have the tolls eliminated on the Atlantic Beach Bridge. I would love to see that happen but this was never even discussed by us and is laughable. As for the mayor - it is rule of thumb that elected officials recuse themselves of any opinion when a referendum comes up - it was in poor taste, but so be it
    Anessa Cohen March 18, 2013 at 10:24 PM
    affordable housing would translate to either low or no taxes. Senior middle income housing with properly assessed taxes might be interesting with the possibility of retaining some of the ball fields and playground for the district
    Anessa Cohen March 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM
    amen
    Igwheet March 19, 2013 at 06:09 PM
    Hello, newly minted lobbyist. I noticed you disappeared after my first mention of this observation, and just before a new name started popping up here. The distinctive, typographic idiosyncrasy you've contrived to make it appear that your new name and the former are unrelated is transparent because you're overdoing it. Toning down the denominational rhetoric is a nice touch (though welcome and long overdue). But you're still just too well-informed to come off as truly independent of the matter. Your old comments (before, before) used to be genuine; mean, but genuine; that recently changed. Now they read like flavored talking points. Everyone is entitled to earn a living, But getting paid to be mean is just not cool.
    Dov Herman March 20, 2013 at 11:14 AM
    This debate was a TKO, Ben went down !!!!
    Carmela Soprano March 20, 2013 at 01:14 PM
    From Newsday: "Some opponents have said the property would be better served by a yeshiva for girls, which had bid $10.5 million. The 80,170-square-foot school building would house medical offices for about 60 doctors and would be leased by the Mount Sinai Medical Center's Icahn School of Medicine. A landscaped buffer bordering residential streets would be installed." Enough said! Vote YES!
    Carmela Soprano March 20, 2013 at 01:19 PM
    From Newsday: "Some opponents have said the property would be better served by a yeshiva for girls, which had bid $10.5 million. The 80,170-square-foot school building would house medical offices for about 60 doctors and would be leased by the Mount Sinai Medical Center's Icahn School of Medicine. A landscaped buffer bordering residential streets would be installed." Enough said! Vote YES!
    Carmela Soprano March 20, 2013 at 01:20 PM
    You're on point. A Brooklyn hospital and ProHealth just inked an agreement to do it in Bay Ridge. The north shore has it. Why can't we? Why should we travel to the city or to the north shore for state-of-the-art medicine? Besides: From Newsday: "Some opponents have said the property would be better served by a yeshiva for girls, which had bid $10.5 million. The 80,170-square-foot school building would house medical offices for about 60 doctors and would be leased by the Mount Sinai Medical Center's Icahn School of Medicine. A landscaped buffer bordering residential streets would be installed." Enough said! Vote YES!
    Carmela Soprano March 20, 2013 at 01:22 PM
    Anessa is a liar once more! Municipal services on private property is the responsibility of the owner of the property. They are taxed as such and pay for the services. From Newsday: "Some opponents have said the property would be better served by a yeshiva for girls, which had bid $10.5 million. The 80,170-square-foot school building would house medical offices for about 60 doctors and would be leased by the Mount Sinai Medical Center's Icahn School of Medicine. A landscaped buffer bordering residential streets would be installed." Enough said! Vote YES!
    Dov Herman March 20, 2013 at 01:22 PM
    Why hide behind a fake name than? Reveal yourself to everyone !!
    Carmela Soprano March 20, 2013 at 01:23 PM
    From Newsday: "Some opponents have said the property would be better served by a yeshiva for girls, which had bid $10.5 million. The 80,170-square-foot school building would house medical offices for about 60 doctors and would be leased by the Mount Sinai Medical Center's Icahn School of Medicine. A landscaped buffer bordering residential streets would be installed." Enough said! Vote YES!
    Carmela Soprano March 20, 2013 at 01:23 PM
    From Newsday: "Some opponents have said the property would be better served by a yeshiva for girls, which had bid $10.5 million. The 80,170-square-foot school building would house medical offices for about 60 doctors and would be leased by the Mount Sinai Medical Center's Icahn School of Medicine. A landscaped buffer bordering residential streets would be installed." Enough said! Vote YES!
    Carmela Soprano March 20, 2013 at 01:24 PM
    From Newsday: "Some opponents have said the property would be better served by a yeshiva for girls, which had bid $10.5 million. The 80,170-square-foot school building would house medical offices for about 60 doctors and would be leased by the Mount Sinai Medical Center's Icahn School of Medicine. A landscaped buffer bordering residential streets would be installed." Enough said! Vote YES!
    Carmela Soprano March 20, 2013 at 01:24 PM
    From Newsday: "Some opponents have said the property would be better served by a yeshiva for girls, which had bid $10.5 million. The 80,170-square-foot school building would house medical offices for about 60 doctors and would be leased by the Mount Sinai Medical Center's Icahn School of Medicine. A landscaped buffer bordering residential streets would be installed." Enough said! Vote YES!
    Carmela Soprano March 20, 2013 at 01:26 PM
    From Newsday: "Some opponents have said the property would be better served by a yeshiva for girls, which had bid $10.5 million. The 80,170-square-foot school building would house medical offices for about 60 doctors and would be leased by the Mount Sinai Medical Center's Icahn School of Medicine. A landscaped buffer bordering residential streets would be installed." Enough said! Vote YES!
    Carmela Soprano March 20, 2013 at 01:26 PM
    From Newsday: "Some opponents have said the property would be better served by a yeshiva for girls, which had bid $10.5 million. The 80,170-square-foot school building would house medical offices for about 60 doctors and would be leased by the Mount Sinai Medical Center's Icahn School of Medicine. A landscaped buffer bordering residential streets would be installed." Enough said! Vote YES!
    Carmela Soprano March 20, 2013 at 01:28 PM
    From Newsday: "Some opponents have said the property would be better served by a yeshiva for girls, which had bid $10.5 million. The 80,170-square-foot school building would house medical offices for about 60 doctors and would be leased by the Mount Sinai Medical Center's Icahn School of Medicine. A landscaped buffer bordering residential streets would be installed." Enough said! Vote YES!
    Carmela Soprano March 20, 2013 at 02:09 PM
    I know who I am! LOL From Newsday: "Some opponents have said the property would be better served by a yeshiva for girls, which had bid $10.5 million. The 80,170-square-foot school building would house medical offices for about 60 doctors and would be leased by the Mount Sinai Medical Center's Icahn School of Medicine. A landscaped buffer bordering residential streets would be installed." Enough said! Vote YES!
    Anna D'Argento March 20, 2013 at 02:58 PM
    Hi Carmela, Where do you get the notion that no-voters only want a yeshiva there - just from a cherry-picked Newsday quote? I know I don't. As I mentioned earlier I'm voting no based strictly on the merits (or lack thereof) of the Simone deal, as I'm sure other informed no-voters are as well. Our neighbors and we, the taxpayers, deserve a better deal.
    morris March 20, 2013 at 03:02 PM
    Anna, very well said. You are a voice of reason.
    Carmela Soprano March 20, 2013 at 09:48 PM
    Misled? Only the folks who are opposing the site is misleading you. For instance, I am a buy who is buying a five family house and will rent apartments. Part of the sales agreement is supposed to disclose WHO is going to rent the apartments? No! Simone is buying and developing the property and already has an agreement with Mount Sinai to come in. Secondly, we have many folks in the five towns - and a large percentage of folks are aging. Who wants to constantly schlep to the north shore or to the city for quality health care in a state-of-the-art institution? We do not get that level of care in the five towns. Think of your family and neighbors - look around and ask where they go for health care. St. Francis? North Shore? LIJ? Columbia-Pres/Cornell? Mount Sinai? Let's be frank here. My spouse needed a cardiac procedure. Where did he go? St. Francis. Where is his cardiologist located? LIJ and St. Francis. My daughter needed orthopedic surgery. Where did she go? North Shore. My other daughter has a few problems. Where did she go? North Shore and LIJ. Where are their primary care physicians? Here in the Five Towns and they are unaffiliated with any of the institutions listed. COMMON SENSE! St. Mount Sinai, you can see your doctor, get your labs and x-rays all in one building, one visit. USE COMMON SENSE!
    Carmela Soprano March 20, 2013 at 09:48 PM
    Misled? Only the folks who are opposing the site is misleading you. For instance, I am a buy who is buying a five family house and will rent apartments. Part of the sales agreement is supposed to disclose WHO is going to rent the apartments? No! Simone is buying and developing the property and already has an agreement with Mount Sinai to come in. Secondly, we have many folks in the five towns - and a large percentage of folks are aging. Who wants to constantly schlep to the north shore or to the city for quality health care in a state-of-the-art institution? We do not get that level of care in the five towns. Think of your family and neighbors - look around and ask where they go for health care. St. Francis? North Shore? LIJ? Columbia-Pres/Cornell? Mount Sinai? Let's be frank here. My spouse needed a cardiac procedure. Where did he go? St. Francis. Where is his cardiologist located? LIJ and St. Francis. My daughter needed orthopedic surgery. Where did she go? North Shore. My other daughter has a few problems. Where did she go? North Shore and LIJ. Where are their primary care physicians? Here in the Five Towns and they are unaffiliated with any of the institutions listed. COMMON SENSE! St. Mount Sinai, you can see your doctor, get your labs and x-rays all in one building, one visit. USE COMMON SENSE!
    Carmela Soprano March 20, 2013 at 09:50 PM
    Misled? Only the folks who are opposing the site is misleading you. For instance, I am a buy who is buying a five family house and will rent apartments. Part of the sales agreement is supposed to disclose WHO is going to rent the apartments? No! Simone is buying and developing the property and already has an agreement with Mount Sinai to come in. Secondly, we have many folks in the five towns - and a large percentage of folks are aging. Who wants to constantly schlep to the north shore or to the city for quality health care in a state-of-the-art institution? We do not get that level of care in the five towns. Think of your family and neighbors - look around and ask where they go for health care. St. Francis? North Shore? LIJ? Columbia-Pres/Cornell? Mount Sinai? Let's be frank here. My spouse needed a cardiac procedure. Where did he go? St. Francis. Where is his cardiologist located? LIJ and St. Francis. My daughter needed orthopedic surgery. Where did she go? North Shore. My other daughter has a few problems. Where did she go? North Shore and LIJ. Where are their primary care physicians? Here in the Five Towns and they are unaffiliated with any of the institutions listed. COMMON SENSE! St. Mount Sinai, you can see your doctor, get your labs and x-rays all in one building, one visit. USE COMMON SENSE!
    Carmela Soprano March 20, 2013 at 09:50 PM
    Misled? Only the folks who are opposing the site is misleading you. For instance, I am a buy who is buying a five family house and will rent apartments. Part of the sales agreement is supposed to disclose WHO is going to rent the apartments? No! Simone is buying and developing the property and already has an agreement with Mount Sinai to come in. Secondly, we have many folks in the five towns - and a large percentage of folks are aging. Who wants to constantly schlep to the north shore or to the city for quality health care in a state-of-the-art institution? We do not get that level of care in the five towns. Think of your family and neighbors - look around and ask where they go for health care. St. Francis? North Shore? LIJ? Columbia-Pres/Cornell? Mount Sinai? Let's be frank here. My spouse needed a cardiac procedure. Where did he go? St. Francis. Where is his cardiologist located? LIJ and St. Francis. My daughter needed orthopedic surgery. Where did she go? North Shore. My other daughter has a few problems. Where did she go? North Shore and LIJ. Where are their primary care physicians? Here in the Five Towns and they are unaffiliated with any of the institutions listed. COMMON SENSE! St. Mount Sinai, you can see your doctor, get your labs and x-rays all in one building, one visit. USE COMMON SENSE! Vote YES!
    Carmela Soprano March 20, 2013 at 09:51 PM
    Misled? Only the folks who are opposing the site is misleading you. For instance, I am a buy who is buying a five family house and will rent apartments. Part of the sales agreement is supposed to disclose WHO is going to rent the apartments? No! Simone is buying and developing the property and already has an agreement with Mount Sinai to come in. Secondly, we have many folks in the five towns - and a large percentage of folks are aging. Who wants to constantly schlep to the north shore or to the city for quality health care in a state-of-the-art institution? We do not get that level of care in the five towns. Think of your family and neighbors - look around and ask where they go for health care. St. Francis? North Shore? LIJ? Columbia-Pres/Cornell? Mount Sinai? Let's be frank here. My spouse needed a cardiac procedure. Where did he go? St. Francis. Where is his cardiologist located? LIJ and St. Francis. My daughter needed orthopedic surgery. Where did she go? North Shore. My other daughter has a few problems. Where did she go? North Shore and LIJ. Where are their primary care physicians? Here in the Five Towns and they are unaffiliated with any of the institutions listed. COMMON SENSE! St. Mount Sinai, you can see your doctor, get your labs and x-rays all in one building, one visit. USE COMMON SENSE!
    Carmela Soprano March 20, 2013 at 09:51 PM
    Misled? Only the folks who are opposing the site is misleading you. For instance, I am a buy who is buying a five family house and will rent apartments. Part of the sales agreement is supposed to disclose WHO is going to rent the apartments? No! Simone is buying and developing the property and already has an agreement with Mount Sinai to come in. Secondly, we have many folks in the five towns - and a large percentage of folks are aging. Who wants to constantly schlep to the north shore or to the city for quality health care in a state-of-the-art institution? We do not get that level of care in the five towns. Think of your family and neighbors - look around and ask where they go for health care. St. Francis? North Shore? LIJ? Columbia-Pres/Cornell? Mount Sinai? Let's be frank here. My spouse needed a cardiac procedure. Where did he go? St. Francis. Where is his cardiologist located? LIJ and St. Francis. My daughter needed orthopedic surgery. Where did she go? North Shore. My other daughter has a few problems. Where did she go? North Shore and LIJ. Where are their primary care physicians? Here in the Five Towns and they are unaffiliated with any of the institutions listed. COMMON SENSE! St. Mount Sinai, you can see your doctor, get your labs and x-rays all in one building, one visit. USE COMMON SENSE!
    Carmela Soprano March 21, 2013 at 01:12 AM
    Okay, I'm going to be serious for a moment. I want to just say that I am proud to be an American, proud to have the right to free speech, proud to have a democratic society where I can vote and proud that we can debate these issues. No matter what the outcome is, we cannot forget that we are Americans. I'll give one more piece of evidence of who I am: A Yid with a lid. Good night!
    dizzydean March 21, 2013 at 02:30 AM
    say goodnite benny boy boom ba ...bye and good riddance sleazey one
    Dov Herman March 21, 2013 at 03:43 AM
    We won two to one . Thank you one and all. Its been great.

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